The sin was not confessed, but was discovered by someone involved, and when confronted, Hunter admitted to the sin. example, two out of three UHCL students received some kind of aid package. The HS is the Gatekeeper. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. Seriously. Including speaking for women when they arent around to speak for themselves. Because of that faulty system, the responsibility has now fallen on those of us who are willing to expose these misbehaving pastors so that there is a record for others to find. Over the last several years they have been with us. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. Unfortunately, I suspect that even if better screening processes can be implemented, there will still be systemic problems of people who start out genuinely meaning well but who go bad when placed into situations that exalt them above their peers. There are no perfect guarantees, but better practices are out there, and well established. I swear dee, every time I think Ive read it all about the fundagelical quagmire, you come up with breaking news that makes the swamp even more noxious. Their perceptions had little to almost nothing to do with what my thoughts or intentions were about a subject and didnt match me as a person at all. The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Satan branded himself to represent God: What did God tell you? Pastor Mark Driscoll. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. but still, how did this happen? They take the risk of presenting a range of viewpoints instead of drilling farther and farther down into the One True Way. Well in the case of church sex scandals, this third one is a doozy. I might work myself up to a 10-pack of Haines socks for something terrible, and stinky, sweaty socks for the truly awful. He served faithfully until 2005. It came to light Tuesday that in 2016, Hunter Hall committed infidelity with another adult member of our church, which disqualifies him as an elder and staff member and he has therefore been removed from both of those positions. so i said to everyone, men and women. antinomian one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation; one who rejects a socially established morality. According to this sermon dated April 7, 2019, Chandler says hes known Hall since he was 16 years old. Excellent points, Emily honey. You coward. Most UHCL students don't pay the full cost of college on their own. Hey! Great comment. Ive watched some of them do terrible things right in front of me and one I am thinking of still thinks he has the right to rule everyone else and is trying (badly) to accomplish that. I saw the same thing with husbands and wives all the time, as well. But it gets even worseAfter the leadership at Citizens Church discovered these new details and warned others to stop giving to the Halls & Wimberleys, suspicions began to arise that they had beengrooming other couples to join them. She is the founder and Senior Pastor of The Baptist Worship Center Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? past experiences with them all was reinforced at that moment, and I looked at them all and realized they all had been conditioned to do nothing until the pastor initiated something. With. Chris Blackerby, Dir. You said it elastigirl, you said it. Last year, for Gods grace is the ONLY way anybody can ever be saved and resorting to a false faith plus works gospel is never the answer. The fact that you got your story from someone who wasnt a member and doesnt even know them personally shows that this is slander and gossip, You should have spoken and heard both sides before reporting anything. What could go wrong? Which would be no great loss. Then add to that the local groups with multiple sites: besides Village, we have Fellowship, Gateway, Watermark, Lake Pointe, even Prestonwood has two locations (and if they were really into the movement they could easily have several more). Reach out to us if you have any questions about the housing process, room assignments Theres something not right about pastors in their 20s-30s with a hand-picked elder team of same age controlling things. They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. Expel the wicked person from among you. I Corinthians 5:12,13. I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? To paraphrase an old Excedrin commercial: The Apostle Paul personally wrote a letter to the Corinthian church when he heard what was going on with the sexual sin that had infected it. After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. They require three years of rigorous academic study. I have to wonder if Lake Pointe Church is aware of ANY of this. The youth group is running the church in many places! What did He mean? Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers. In a letter dated May 25, 2021, Hunter, who is pastor of the Grace Memorial Church on Chicago's West Side, briefed Pelosi on the murder of his 17-year-old great nephew. Headlights are not a perfect safety program, but they help. Chandlert is in hidingprobably at his steak ranch. Atheism Uber Alles. spacious community kitchen, study lounges, student-centered spaces, high-impact programs, However, rumors were starting to circulate about what was REALLY going on with the Halls & the Wimberleys. Im glad I jumped ship many years ago. email, with two to three preferred tour dates and times, to housing@uhcl.edu. I could see this as an outsider (from Growing up Martian); what about some GUBA (Grew Up Born Again) immersed in Christianese Culture since conception with NO outside perspective or possibility of same? The mainline denoms have been screening seminarians for decades, and also intervening when things go wrong. I plan to send them a note myself. elastigirl: and then in-groups and out-groups are created. I am becoming increasingly concerned about Matt Chandlers ability to choose pastors that understand the need for integrity in the pulpit. They also considerably cleaned up Tinker (one of his sidekicks). He didnt mean this He meant that, trust me.. i.e. Henry Hunter Hall is an American film and television actor.The son of actress-writer-director Kasi Lemmons and actor-director Vondie Curtis-Hall, Henry began his career as a child actor and has since tranisitoned to adult roles.He is most known for movies like Gridlock'd, Waist Deep, Black Nativity, Selah and the Spades, and Harriet; and TV shows like Answers To Everything, When They See Us . The original audience did find Falstaff funny. Know this we are committed to caring for all involved in this situation, including those sinned against the Hall family, Hunter, anyone else directly affected, and you. (A lot of men werent like that but it was definitely a pretty high percentage who were) A few women seemed NPD, too. . Stan: Well I didnt like that sermon, but this church does so much for missions., Weve heard stuff like this before folks who defend their pastor no matter what Yes, I know he is a bad-boy sinner, but he sure can preach!. Shes a real Swinger! The Halls have reportedly moved to Colorado and are still together. in fact, declares its biblical thus godly, holy, and what God commands. A pastor who asks his wife to follow into this level of sin is wickedness of the worst order. +++++++++++++++. So would I Max. Gridlock'd. Waist Deep. changes their belief structure about themselves and others. thankfully, jesus/god/holy spirit are bigger than it all. Guest Post: Making the Cut What Grade Must You Get To Become a Member At Watermark Community Church? Movies. My Comment was Deleted peer pressure. Gods grace is the ONLY way anybody can ever be saved and resorting to a false faith plus works gospel is never the answer. Clear Lake area for a conference? "Pastor Hall tenured his resignation to the church Thursday after being charged with DUI on Wednesday evening. over 40 minors to choose from, UHCL has something for every interest. I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. They wanted to make sure their kids knew the church loved them and didnt abandon them. They are attracted to all or nothing grandiose identity markers so they can portray false humility and receive supply and praise from their environment? How to Resign from a Church When I learned that the chairman of the elders board at my church had been swinging with his much younger second wife (who had been coerced into it), had defrauded a church member and a person from outside the church, then committed insurance fraud a number of times (one of which caused an innocent fatality), it was shocking and sickening. After all, if youre elect, the P in TULIP says that you cant ever lose your salvation, no matter how wicked you may become. This may only work IF your not the king in your own kingdom. Everyone who trusted in Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley as religious leaders and representatives of Christ have been betrayed. Some denoms also have programs for helping clergy who are having problems. Students often hang out in these areas to study or catch up with friends. Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article.Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings, where young reformers pay their dues (idolize leaders buy their books, attend their conferences; tweet and retweet nuggets of knowledge from the masters; advance reformed theology in local communities; take over churches for the glory of the movement, etc.) Uninvolved dads continued to chat away at the table. I was constantly confused in all the evangelical circles I was a part of in college and my 20s, even as a single woman. Like I stated in the post, there is no way for the next church they seek employment at to know about what happened with these pastors because the SBC doesRead more . I wish this surprised me. The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex.. before they move into the next ring closer to the center where the big-boys live, the ring from which all rings come forth.Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. Reach out to us if you have any questions about the housing process, room assignments or meal plans. ++++++++++++++++. And Im not surprised that this came from the Acts 29 corner of New Calvinism, an organization which was founded by potty-mouth Mark Driscoll and now headed by Matt Chandler. They promise a low starting wage and then something like a middle-class salary, much later on. SoSickOfAbuseEnabling: The way to deal with this kind of behavior, though, is not to stop preaching grace. This is a problem, and baked into their DNA. the expectation was that wed do something together afterwards. On the flip side, they bent over backwards to help out admitted adulterers. Unfortunately the congregation was met with the heavy words of teaching pastorJamin Roller and the noticeable absence of their lead pastor, Hunter Hall. Most Cults are started so the Cult Leader can (1) Get Rich, (2) Get Laid, or (3) Both. It is so normalized it can obscure problematic behavior and tendencies, all hidden behind the name of God. judging by the train wrecks that have happened already at The Village Church, this has to be red-alert true of the place. I think NPD and ASPD account for a lot of men I ran across in these circles. Beau Hughes, pastor of the Denton campus, says the transition has caused increased unity in his congregation. They promise a low starting wage and then something like a middle-class salary, much later on. I was told that a lot of the members of this church expressed very uncaring and un-Christlike attitudes toward the Bragg family when the allegations against Matt Tonne were made public. And even if it fades into oblivion within a few years, how much damage will it do in the meantime? Its an unappealing life for narcissists, although of course some of them are highly determined. Though there are serious and difficult consequences involved, we are charged with ministering to the brokenhearted and giving the grace Jesus has given each of us. Until you get that in place, I would be OK with following the Biblical principle of old godly men teaching young spiritually immature men for a season before they are released on the Body of Christ. Remember this a Reformedish type of church. theyre awareness-challenged, thanks to nature and nurture (which christian doctrine and culture encourage rather than confront). I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? When I saw it, I immediately asked her if I could post it here. ME MAN! 4,660 listeners Page CXVI. TV Lovejoy became my archetype of how to do a Rogue character right. Swingin while preachin Jesus is a new low point in the American church. there just werent a lot of charged issues. We are their people. emily honey: I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. I repeat left unchecked, New Calvinism will lead to antinomianism. Every time I think Ive heard it all, I realize I havent. Shes like an object on a shelf in his little mind pantry where he goes to access her only when he needs to store something of *his* away, needs to use her for something hes cooking up, needs her for sex and procreation, etc. Yeah. the women clutched their invisible pearls and the men looked like theyd just been punched, (with a touch of hyperbole), and after a bit of feet-shifting & spluttering, the pastor conceded. It reeked to high heaven! I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. Rev. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list!Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. Dont you know PASTOR Superapostle is a member of Gods Inner Ring, a PRIEST as far above us Laity as God is above a turd? He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) on Swinging Pastors? A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. Who is Hunter Hall? The issue was a big ego. It isnt just New Calvinism into antinomianism, Calvinism in general leads to that. It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. takes you. changes them. Getting Here 8 Quad Way Durham, NH 03824 United States 603-862-1179 + Discover more music, concerts, videos, and pictures with the largest catalogue online at Last.fm. Emilie Polk. It was during this process that she revealed there was more to the story. guests. I would say wife-swapping is a rejection of a socially established morality at least in my neck of the woods. Yes, these men as individuals did these things. Looking for a career change? (Im getting sarcastic). Top 250 Movies Most Popular Movies Top 250 TV Shows Most Popular TV Shows Most Popular Video Games Most Popular Music Videos Most Popular Podcasts. Wild Honey: So frustrating thinking about the number of damaged souls left in this wake. elastigirl: i think of jesus, who was expressly not about wealth and not about power and not about who gets to be first. They are the parents of three sons, and the grandparents of five. Millicent Hunter Ministries 4790 James Street Philadelphia, PA 19137 215/289-1704 (fax) Biography. They have matured in their faith at The Village Church. . a remedial explanation: the belief system of The Village Church is complementarianism, in which God commands the husband to lead and the wife to follow. Max: I would be OK with following the Biblical principle of old godly men teaching young spiritually immature men for a season before they are released on the Body of Christ. Yet another sign that Christians are Late Adopters. Why then, would we regard money with so much more reverence and importance than the souls of women and men? Whew!I continued reading and now grieved in the inner man.Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common.This one is about as sick as it gets.The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism.The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law.And Im not surprised that this came from the Acts 29 corner of New Calvinism, an organization which was founded by potty-mouth Mark Driscoll and now headed by Matt Chandler. After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. Wimberley was the worship pastor at the Dallas Northway campus before joining Hall at the Plano campus. It might help, but Im not sure how well it will work in the long run. But you would know the full story if you asked those directly involved. Hunter Hall is Journey Point's Worship Pastor. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. They had little to no self reflection and often the woman was cast as dramatic or infantile (usually it was related to some sort of dating situation, but it sometimes pertained to other things that had a man or men involved) .when she wasnt the problem at all or in few cases only a little bit of the problem and not much. Call Us Today: (325) 673-6414 | (800) 588-6414. Hunter is a recent graduate and loves investing in relationships. That is bad. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction! before they move into the next ring closer to the center where the big-boys live, the ring from which all rings come forth. Welcome to the Christian Industrial Complex in America, where anything goes. The site also notes he was a former chaplain to the Plano Fire and Police. However, rumors were starting to circulate about what was REALLY going on with the Halls & the Wimberleys. The Third Reich only lasted 13 years, the USSR for just over 70. which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person This is why I restrain myself to telling people to put a sock in it when they say something bad on Twitter. Regarding james beamers comment about calling out the wivesyes their sin is disgusting but its the MEN onstage every sunday claiming to speak for God! In August 2020, an announcement was made to the members of Citizens Church that there would be another meeting with an update concerning Hunter Hall. So I suspect that if there is a brighter future for church, it will be in smaller groups. success. Some people may more just be on the spectrum but not a full blown PD which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person like elastigirl mentioned. Youth, beauty, and the latest smart phones are the markers that matter nowadays. Pastor Hunter has been preaching for over 25 years, and his unique down-to-earth, real and transparent style of preaching has made him a household favorite among young and old alike. I read the No Eden Elsewhere posting last night on the web site, and just wanted to be ill. If theyre not truly saved and they continue to refuse to put their faith in Christ, they will suffer for all eternity for this and for every other sin theyve ever committed. You can also submit your own story idea. . Yes, these men as individuals did these things . elastigirl: gahhhhd, what a festering mess. Before moving on I need to say again what I just shared, as it is difficult to process on Tuesday of this past week, the elders of Citizens Church were informed that Hunter Hall committed infidelity with an adult member of our church, resulting in him being disqualified as an elder and being removed as both an elder and staff member. In my long tenure of doing church in America, Ive found that some of the most godliest people in church are pew peons. healthy human beings catch themselves at some point, and get themselves on a better track. Bad-boy preachers love bad-boy elders like that they cover each others butt when the going gets rough. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. For any questions regarding on-campus housing, email housing@uhcl.edu or call 281-283-2615. Namely: improved focus and contextualization, multiplication, and a chance to embrace succession and allow it to succeed instead of resisting it. 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