I dont view Christians (during the week) as scattered. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. For the life of me Ive never understood, either, why we think we need someone to hold our hands when someone dies besides the Body of Christ. Remaining dependent on that sermon as your primary source of scriptural input seems odd too. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. Yes, sometimes. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? When I asked them What is he preaching on?, they didnt seem to know. It is a very unusual pastoral position that David Platt is undertaking. His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. Expenses run high in that stratosphere. Youre not jaded, youre here and youre participating! Good little Suckers in the Mooch-and-Sucker Show. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). What is Jesus gospel? You are spot on except for the money. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. My Comment was Deleted PHD student. Part of it is because Ive done this job for over a decade. It is not the whole. @ Tree: Learn from the Primitive Baptists and early Holiness folks (not todays clergy model) and early Quakers (not todays nonChristian version.). Jesus said 3x, Feed my sheep. They are His sheep. One is an outgrowth of the other. 12, 1 Cor. Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. @ AnonInNC: ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. Again, I ask, what exactly makes anyone think their fellowship is somehow going to do it better that the most humble man in the history of the world? The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. The Teaching Pastor Part-time Unpaid 65% gig serves as a bridge to that and also keeps the McLean pewpeons sticky during the transition period between Senior Pastors which is always tricky. While some people think that Jimmy sounds like he could be deaf for some reason, many others think he has the hottest voice ever. Believe in Jesus today, youll be very glad YOU did! Experts warn David and Victoria Beckhams little girl may end up with speech or dental issues if she continues to use on, wrote Jemma Buckley in an article for The Daily Mail. Mahaney. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? If it is only value-added, the world will view us as self-interested and just another organization of created things bent in upon itself. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? Im afraid for our church. Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. I. ___ Lon always wore a suit. My church now has quite short sermons, with liturgy. Flash forward about 20 years. Yes, Hug. But I know I cant do that forever. The same is true for many ARC churches. My father lost his position due to lies by officials above the local church and was told to vacate the parsonage with 60 days notice culminating Dec 31. He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. I actually timed it once. Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. Even if he does prep his own sermons . His rise to national prominence has inspired many people with speech impediments. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. Best to believe and follow Jesus, rather than in any man. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ This type can be described as an unusual repetition of sounds or rhythm. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. In oterh words, find a real church., Lydia wrote: Being precedes doing, and that doing of mission also requires the Holy Spirit. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. That said it may be only a contributing reason for the over-use of the pastor title. So many turn to sermon services and hide in their offices reading books or doing anything else but writing their sermon. . Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers Lon Solomon rarely asked for money in my many years at McLean. sign a covenant with! I also have an active prayer closet and know how to use it. They care about as much about the Bible as they do about the truth, about justice, about the Fruits of the Spirit, about Jesus, and about those who have been made in His image. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. Isa. While checking that one for accuracy, I came across this one too: Id like to die like my old dad, peacefully in his sleep. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: I believe they will be held accountable. We minister unto the LORD. I don't think he has a speech impediment. If no one has the guts to challenge this false ninja TULIP gospel change agent, and the one who was stupid enough to bring him on board, then McLean Bible Church will quietly descend into Calvinist authoritarian tyrannical darkness, its members none the wiser. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. I was furious but also too new to the church and too scared to call him out on it. stroke. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. The church needs to be contemporary, right? The main trend Ive seen over the past 20 years or so is that the Calvinist/Non-Calvinist divide at the top of the SBC does not seem to be an issue. TWW has long been a safe place for folks of differing views and differing faiths. David and his wife, Heather, have four children. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? Maybe he is off balance. If one person does happen to have a message that the church feels is important to be shared across all the campuses, then that person can travel around and deliver the message in person. Faith is a response to Gods Self-revelation. : > God so loved YOU that He sent His only Son, Jesus, that if YOU will believe in Him, YOU will not perish, but receive Gods eternal life. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. Prayer Requests Were Dones. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? it wasn't when we spent 10 years in inter city ministry and certainly not the 60 hour week my husband put in hoping on day his boss will finally honour his words and we can buy in to the company after using his name in a limited parntership where due to the financial mess of '08 we haven't seen a bit of profit but have had insurance go up 40 percent. The fact that he was preaching was all that mattered! My daughter attended the event, held at a lovely hotel in Dubai. He was senior pastor at the Church at Brook Hills in Birmingham, Alabama, from 2006 to 2014. I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. Over time, academies can develop an ethos that they are the repositories of knowledge, and then act as if they are above or outside the purview of the Church. All believers do have access, yes. One would hope that those who have been given the gift of pastoring by the Holy Spirit, would likewise live their lives and ministries appropriately. God is interested in and respects what we think, our initiative, our ideas, our plans, our decisions Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV He didnt know our names in a 4000 member church. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. MBC deserves a full time pastor. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. (2 Corinthians 11:3), Bet your proverbial @zz, MBC is being played, Spy Hes doing well. He will show up on Sunday morning and preach about 30 or so weeks in the year. Same here. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. Yes and he is only speaking 65% of the time! Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. The reason I put in ot was so a life saving medical test could be approved for a 2 year old child. http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html. One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. There is absolutely nothing of Jesus Christ in any of it. @ refugee: True, sir (if it be proper to call God sir). It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. I was really moved. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. I remember reading a novel years ago in which one character was into transcendental meditation; and another character (probably speaking for the author) described him thus: You get the comforts of religion without the responsibility. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? But there were no other pastors. Is there a bonus for adding Lead Prophet and/or Head Apostle to the title? This is one of the things my church actually makes a concerted effort to doopen the facilities throughout the week to various groups. @ Dave A A: But there were no other pastors. That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! I see benefit to this in those cases. But I have to ask, how can the walking podcast be my shepherd? My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. So, a bit of a frustrating afternoon/evening trying to instal jUnit on the Mac. They are not supposed to be, as they are not supposed to exist. @ Nick Bulbeck: Vs 14 God says I know He Aaron can speak very well obviously God knew that Moses did have some legit problem with speech like stuttering. Voice disorder. Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. In the UK there has been a complete silence from UK church leaders about Mahaney. Theres even a well known chicken barbecue company. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? @ Gram3: I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. This is one of the reasons I ended up ditching the SBC for good. Remembering your thoughts from another post equating charismatics need for a sign (miracles) and evangelicals need for a sign (changed lives), I suppose preaching is another sign that is used to mesmerise the patrons, and like you suggest, build an empire. 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